Nickelodeon Canada
Nickelodeon is coming to Canada
I am not sure if I should feel happy about this.
Thanks to this, hopefully YTV will not focus so much on nickelodeon shows and once again they will start to bring in other foreign animated show. But they will probably focus more on reality-tv shows or tween sitcoms.
They had better be planning to air Invader Zim.
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I have a few questions:
1) Why the hell is there going to be more Nickelodeon content on YTV then they plan to put on NickCanada? Why not use this to air less Nick crap on YTV?
2) How much Cancon does a station need to air in a week? NickCanada only has 4 half-hour shows, and the rest is completely American content.
Ren & Stimpy, Angry Beavers, Rocko’s Modern Life, The Adventures of Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius and The Rugrats are also mentioned on Corus' press release (on the corusent site).
I'm surprised CBC News wasn't able to properly paraphrase the release. :P
EDIT: I find it interesting that Avatar is considered a "returning" show (like Mighty B and Danny Phantom) to bring back, but not a "classic" show like the ones I listed above. Maybe this implies we'll finally get that friggin' direct-to-tv movie.
Anyone wanna bet YTV will be pimping out this channel with five hour blocks ala with what they did with Discovery Kids, Treehouse, and what W did with Cosmo, etc.
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More like Viacom owns Canadian Television.
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No, the sick joke of it all is Viacom doesn't own any of this stuff. It's all a bunch of Canadian companies actually PAYING the Americans to let them use their international brands here. It's pathetic grovelling and it throws well-established Canadian brands to the curb. It's like pleading, "Oh, great American empire, please can we be your subjects? We'll even pay you to rule us!"
No, the sick joke of it all is Viacom doesn't own any of this stuff. It's all a bunch of Canadian companies actually PAYING the Americans to let them use their international brands here. It's pathetic grovelling and it throws well-established Canadian brands to the curb. It's like pleading, "Oh, great American empire, please can we be your subjects? We'll even pay you to rule us!"
He meant that Viacom owns all that stuff by being the parent corporation of MTV, which does own all that stuff.
EDIT: Aren't there laws preventing foreign companies from owning Canadian multi-corporations?
Exactly. MTV and Viacom do NOT own these Canadian channels.
Just out of curiosity, how do you know that it is those Canadian companies that are paying for that content and not the US companies that are paying the Canadian companies to air that content.
If it is truly like what you are saying, the idiot that choose to allowed that should be fire.
But this is not an already established channel, why would corus bother to made this new channel if they have to pay the Us company for their content. They would not gain much in doing that.
I just don't see the logic in making a new channel, having to pay for content and use the name of the US channel.
Anyways, what you are saying is most likely what is happening with this whole thing.
Corus is convinced that U.S. branding has a lot of value here. They're willing to invest in known name because otherwise it can be very difficult for a new digital channel to get any attention.
Speaking of which, in other news, Discovery Kids is toast.
There was even talk a few years back at TSN about changing its name to ESPN Canada; thankfully, that never happened.
Corus has so many damned American shows because Nelvana has major distribution rights with Nickelodeon. As a result, Nelvana's parent companies (ie: pretty much Corus only) gets any and all Nick content for dirt cheap. Meanwhile Nick content really is marketable towards little kids. My problem is more with Corus itself trying desperately to rely solely on US content instead of using its major resources.
I mean, fuck! Nelvana is biggest in the world after Nick and Disney! And you own it! And it's Cancon! Stupid, Corus! Stupid!
Speaking of which, in other news, Discovery Kids is toast.
Hasbro owns that channel in the US now. Corus and Hasbro have had a pretty swell relationship in the past.
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It makes a certain amount of sense to bring the MTV brand to Canada because MTV was well known even though we didn't get the channel and, at the time they introducted MTV Canada, CTV didn't own MuchMusic.
It makes less sense for YTV to bring the Nickelodeon brand to Canada when it is not that well known and they have the YTV brand.
Perhaps it was Viacom who insisted the channel be named Nickelodeon to expand their worldwide brand and they made it a condition of the programming deal.
We finally got MTV after it became garbage and stopped airing the music videos it became known for. Even Much isn't running much in the way of videos anymore. YouTube seems to be the popular place to find videos.
I have the impression the Nick Canada is replacing the teen oriented channel YTV was going to have. But I wouldn't worry so much about it being US content. Sure they might call it Nickelodeon but it's going to be a Canadian channel and subject to the same CanCon rules as any other Canadian channel. The name is probably just to satisfy those who want the US channel, and it is well known in Canada.
And there's a lot of Canadian programming that gets onto US channels. This deal will probably help that. In the past few decades the Canadian TV industry has been closely tied to the US industry. We need their dollars. But Canadian shows are making their way into the US market.
Either way, an additional channel for YTV is good for anime. It makes room on the schedule. The more channels YTV has, the more programming it needs. It could open up room to bring Bionix back properly.
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Am I the only one looking forward to this. I enjoyed some of Nick's alder classic shows. And there live-action shows such as iCarly are funny. I didn't see as much people as angry when PlayHouse Disney Canada was announced. Give it a chance, No offense, but Canadian TV is actually kinda garbage compared to American TV. I was looking at ratings and some channels are overjoyed when they get 500,000 viewers. Cartoon Network or Nick or Disney Channel, count that as a lost.
Give Nick a chance, and I think some of you have been looking forward tot his. Some said, "Why won't YTV just launch their own Nick channel already. so we can keep the anime." It happened and you guys don't sound as happy. It could mean more anime on YTV.
But you're not getting Nickelodeon, the U.S. channel.
You're getting Nickelodeon Canada, a Canadian channel by YTV.
Whether or not that's better or worse, it's a distinction that must be made ... or you're just falling victim to exactly the kind of brand confusion YTV hopes it can foist on you.
Do you think HBO Canada is the same as HBO?
Do you think Discovery Channel in Canada is the same as Discovery Channel in the U.S.?
If so, with all due respect, you are a complete and utter idiot.
Am I the only one looking forward to this. I enjoyed some of Nick's alder classic shows. And there live-action shows such as iCarly are funny. I didn't see as much people as angry when PlayHouse Disney Canada was announced. Give it a chance, No offense, but Canadian TV is actually kinda garbage compared to American TV. I was looking at ratings and some channels are overjoyed when they get 500,000 viewers. Cartoon Network or Nick or Disney Channel, count that as a lost.
Give Nick a chance, and I think some of you have been looking forward tot his. Some said, "Why won't YTV just launch their own Nick channel already. so we can keep the anime." It happened and you guys don't sound as happy. It could mean more anime on YTV.
I don't know why you brought ratings into this picture. The Canadian population is just 10% of the American population. 500,000 viewers here could mean 5 million there.
The reason most of us are snarky is simply because even though this channel is launching, YTV is still a channel dominated by Nickelodeon programs. They always promote their "Nick Sundays" block, when all of the shows that air in that block air like pratically every other day on YTV.
Personally, I really don't care that much about Nick Canada, as long as YTV doesn't have preview blocks littered every day. The few shows by Nickelodeon I'd actually pay a subscription for are almost all nostalgia trips. While I do enjoy some of their comedic shows such as Drake & Josh, iCarly, All That, and The Amanda Bynes Show (This one I'm gonna need some tinted glasses for), nothing there I'd really follow.
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Am I the only one looking forward to this. I enjoyed some of Nick's alder classic shows.
And there live-action shows such as iCarly are funny. I didn't see as much people as angry when PlayHouse Disney Canada was announced.
Give it a chance, No offense, but Canadian TV is actually kinda garbage compared to American TV.
I was looking at ratings and some channels are overjoyed when they get 500,000 viewers. Cartoon Network or Nick or Disney Channel, count that as a lost.
Give Nick a chance, and I think some of you have been looking forward tot his. Some said, "Why won't YTV just launch their own Nick channel already. so we can keep the anime." It happened and you guys don't sound as happy. It could mean more anime on YTV.
But you're not getting Nickelodeon, the U.S. channel.You're getting Nickelodeon Canada, a Canadian channel by YTV.
Whether or not that's better or worse, it's a distinction that must be made ... or you're just falling victim to exactly the kind of brand confusion YTV hopes it can foist on you.
Do you think HBO Canada is the same as HBO?
Do you think Discovery Channel in Canada is the same as Discovery Channel in the U.S.?
If so, with all due respect, you are a complete and utter idiot.
You don't have to insult me with names. I was just expressing my opinion. I never said we were getting the the US Nick Channel, or made any comparisons to Canadian versions of US channels. Read properly before coming up with false statements. I think everyone should give the channel a chance. It has CanCon which is needed, and it could mean less Nick on YTV. In all honesty,Nick may not even be targeted to you. I don't know how old you are, but Nick targets young children. My brother was overjoyed when I told him this. He loves Nick. And it's not a channel by YTV, it's a channel by Corus.
I don't know why you brought ratings into this picture. The Canadian population is just 10% of the American population. 500,000 viewers here could mean 5 million there.
I completely forgot about the population difference. Sorry, I shouldn't have used the ratings comparison. I apologize.
The reason most of us are snarky is simply because even though this channel is launching, YTV is still a channel dominated by Nickelodeon programs. They always promote their "Nick Sundays" block, when all of the shows that air in that block air like pratically every other day on YTV.Personally, I really don't care that much about Nick Canada, as long as YTV doesn't have preview blocks littered every day. The few shows by Nickelodeon I'd actually pay a subscription for are almost all nostalgia trips. While I do enjoy some of their comedic shows such as Drake & Josh, iCarly, All That, and The Amanda Bynes Show (This one I'm gonna need some tinted glasses for), nothing there I'd really follow.
I understand where you're coming from, and as I said before, it could mean less Nick shows on YTV. Their Nick shows does take up a lot of the schedule. Much more than previous years, even dedicating 2 blocks for them. Has it been confirmed its subscription based cuz Teletoon Retro is a Cat.2 channel but there is no subscription for it, I believe.
I don't recall this leading to YTV becoming a glorified "PlayHouse" TV station though.
No, I meant that people weren't upset when a Canadian channel created with the name of a Disney programming block from the States, was launched.
THIS is what's pissing me off the most: for the most part, you're right. I freely admit it. Hollywood and beyond is almost entirely American, resulting in good Cancon TV always being a diamond in the rough. But NELVANA is fucking huge in the animation industry, and Corus only uses it as a means to get Nick content for free. What supremely annoys me is that, by owning Nelvana, Corus is one of the few Canadian TV companies that CAN take a major risk in television and probably come out way ahead for it. But they don't like taking risks because, as you mentioned, most Cancon sucks.
Exactly. With Nelvana, Animated CanCon could be great, and Corus could be great. But they misuse it. YTV creates these terrible live-action programs, with some terrible actors, that try to be funny but are not. Instead of live-action, create some new cartoons, or Nelvana could dub more animes. Even it's a bad dub,it's better than no dub. It would count as Cancon too. Look at Pretty Cure for an example. Great show, Great for CanCon, yet YTV only airs it Saturdays at 7am. You never know, Pretty Cure can be one of the CanCon shows on Nickelodeon, or maybe some other Canadian dubbed anime.
Yeah, that was my hypocritical desire: I wanted it to become its own channel so that it could mean less Nick shows on YTV, but because Nickelodeon Canada is a speciality channel, it'll actually mean the opposite. :(
Can it actually happen. More Nick shows on YTV cuz of Nick Canada.
Quote:I don't recall this leading to YTV becoming a glorified "PlayHouse" TV station though.
No, I meant that people weren't upset when a Canadian channel created with the name of a Disney programming block from the States, was launched.
Yeah, that was my hypocritical desire: I wanted it to become its own channel so that it could mean less Nick shows on YTV, but because Nickelodeon Canada is a speciality channel, it'll actually mean the opposite. :(
Can it actually happen. More Nick shows on YTV cuz of Nick Canada.
It definitely will. They'll do it in order to promote Nick Canada.
But NELVANA is fucking huge in the animation industry, and Corus only uses it as a means to get Nick content for free. What supremely annoys me is that, by owning Nelvana, Corus is one of the few Canadian TV companies that CAN take a major risk in television and probably come out way ahead for it. But they don't like taking risks because, as you mentioned, most Cancon sucks.
Corus uses Nelvana all the time, look at Teletoon. I swear, almost every other show on that channel is either made by, or distributed internationally by Nelvana. Don't fret, I'm sure Nelvana's Beyblade Metal Fusion will air on YTV.
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